Hanger fee poll?
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Dart (D79) is very reasonable. Hangars go from 60 bucks (community) to 150, Concrete floor (Nice). Nobody ties down outside. There are about 35-40 airplanes there, all taildraggers plus a Pawnee and 10 or so gliders. (Pawnee is tow plane.) 100 octane is available thru Dart gas club at cost. You pay 200 to get into gas club, they buy load of fuel, your 200 is credited to your use. This helps them off set when they order a load of gas which is around 7 grand. A mail box and a log book inside, beside the gas pump, and you record your gallons and club number on a printed sheet. Every so often Greg Dart will tell you whats up with your account. Seems to work pretty good. Its one of the last of the oldtime airports and well worth a flight to it in summer if your near or even far plus Greg is very knowledgeable about engines, rebuilds, props. etc..JCP
I am hangar space shopping just to get an idea of what my long hankering for an airplane is gonna cost me when I finally buy one........
Yesterday, David Wayne Hooks (KDWH) T-Hangars quoted at $325 per month with a 25 name waiting list.
Williams (9X1)over in Porter, Texas quoted $255-$285 per month.
I'm new to the forum and I don't have an airplane.
I'd like to get a Champ but if the biggest fixed cost is the hangar I may have to build my own airstrip. Hope I can find some cheap property.
$3600 a year is pretty steep but the hangars are all full around here so I guess it is what the market will bear.
Yesterday, David Wayne Hooks (KDWH) T-Hangars quoted at $325 per month with a 25 name waiting list.
Williams (9X1)over in Porter, Texas quoted $255-$285 per month.
I'm new to the forum and I don't have an airplane.
I'd like to get a Champ but if the biggest fixed cost is the hangar I may have to build my own airstrip. Hope I can find some cheap property.
$3600 a year is pretty steep but the hangars are all full around here so I guess it is what the market will bear.
There was an 18 month waiting list when I got in my facility and I understand that its at 2 years now. There is a very nice airfield in Mesa AZ about 20 miles SSE of this airport where the regulations are not as harsh and a lot friendlier and the wait is 6 years there...
Am hoping to find/build my own facility someday.
Joe
Am hoping to find/build my own facility someday.
Joe
Shucks....
Shucks..
If anybody out there is that bad off for hangar space, I'm only using half of my quonset hangar, so you could hangar/store your plane here? I'm in South Carolina, mid way between Columbia and Aiken. PM me for details.
Mike
If anybody out there is that bad off for hangar space, I'm only using half of my quonset hangar, so you could hangar/store your plane here? I'm in South Carolina, mid way between Columbia and Aiken. PM me for details.
Mike
A few months ago I was looking at a buying a airport home but that deal has since fallen thru. Have any of you built your own hangars? I looked in TAP and saw several Hangar companies but didn't know if one was better than the other. Same goes for door companies. Bi-fold vs. Hydro Swing and such. Any input of building your own hangar?
Jeff,
We've had a couple built on our airport over the last year. They were pole type steel buildings built by local builders. Both 40 X 40 and doors that split in the middle and then went inside the building on tracks. Commercial doors but I don't know the name. If I was building another hangar I'd certainly look at them. Size is relative to your need. Depends what you want to keep in them (i.e. one plane/ two planes, ect.) We have one 40 X 40 hangar on the airport where they keep a Champ and an Arrow (high wing/low wing) but it's a tight squeeze. My hangar is 40 X 32 but that's about the minimum and kind of wish I would have gone with something a little larger although it's large enough for my needs and my shop is at home so basically all I need is shelter and storage.
I believe the 40 X 40 hangars I described above cost around $25,000 including the cement work but both the owners had to assemble and hang their own doors. Great additions to our little airport, though.
Mike Berg
We've had a couple built on our airport over the last year. They were pole type steel buildings built by local builders. Both 40 X 40 and doors that split in the middle and then went inside the building on tracks. Commercial doors but I don't know the name. If I was building another hangar I'd certainly look at them. Size is relative to your need. Depends what you want to keep in them (i.e. one plane/ two planes, ect.) We have one 40 X 40 hangar on the airport where they keep a Champ and an Arrow (high wing/low wing) but it's a tight squeeze. My hangar is 40 X 32 but that's about the minimum and kind of wish I would have gone with something a little larger although it's large enough for my needs and my shop is at home so basically all I need is shelter and storage.
I believe the 40 X 40 hangars I described above cost around $25,000 including the cement work but both the owners had to assemble and hang their own doors. Great additions to our little airport, though.
Mike Berg
"If God had intended man to fly He would have given us more money"
Mike,
The pad that I have in mind is 60w x 80d. The door has to go on the 60 end. The current cost for the pad is right at $120/month for the ground lease. They have 25 year leases that are renewable. My thoughts were to build the absolute biggest I could get so that I could sell it to someone with a light/med twin later on if I needed too. I don't know if the county would let me go with a pole barn type of building since there is not another pole barn on the property. I keep hoping concrete will come down some too. Currently it is running around 125/yd. I tried to figure out the concrete needed and was shocked at the amount required just for the footings! Maybe I need to go back to school and become a Neurosurgeon. Or better yet, marry one!
The pad that I have in mind is 60w x 80d. The door has to go on the 60 end. The current cost for the pad is right at $120/month for the ground lease. They have 25 year leases that are renewable. My thoughts were to build the absolute biggest I could get so that I could sell it to someone with a light/med twin later on if I needed too. I don't know if the county would let me go with a pole barn type of building since there is not another pole barn on the property. I keep hoping concrete will come down some too. Currently it is running around 125/yd. I tried to figure out the concrete needed and was shocked at the amount required just for the footings! Maybe I need to go back to school and become a Neurosurgeon. Or better yet, marry one!
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You've got the right idea; going as big as possible. In our 50x50, we can fit 3 high wings (Cub, Champ, C172) and still have room for tools along the walls, a small office and the occasional car, fuel wagon etc... In a 60x60 you can get all that plus an extra airplane and have more room between all (4) airplanes.
I've always been happy with a Wilson Bi-Fold Door; in 20 years I've been working with one, it has never hiccupped. My neighbor has one as well and would agree. Hydro Swings are nice, and great if you need every possible inch of clearance. Here at the Griffin airport, everyone uses Horton Stack Doors because they're inexspencive and suited for the southern climate.
You might look up USSteel, Whitworth (located onsite at Griffin airport) or search for "metal building" online. I was looking at building a barn/shop behind the house and found you could almost go metal for what a pole barn would cost.
And when you look at the cost, remember you can sublease 3 of the 4 slots to pay the loan. In 5 years you could have the building paid off. Plus, store your buisness related items in the hangar and you can write it off... I think.
nkh
I've always been happy with a Wilson Bi-Fold Door; in 20 years I've been working with one, it has never hiccupped. My neighbor has one as well and would agree. Hydro Swings are nice, and great if you need every possible inch of clearance. Here at the Griffin airport, everyone uses Horton Stack Doors because they're inexspencive and suited for the southern climate.
You might look up USSteel, Whitworth (located onsite at Griffin airport) or search for "metal building" online. I was looking at building a barn/shop behind the house and found you could almost go metal for what a pole barn would cost.
And when you look at the cost, remember you can sublease 3 of the 4 slots to pay the loan. In 5 years you could have the building paid off. Plus, store your buisness related items in the hangar and you can write it off... I think.
nkh
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Nate,
There is a guy that is based out of the Altoona area that sells metal buildings. The company is Christbuilt, a division of Panel Masters, Inc.
His name is Charles, LaBoone or ?? I talked to him several times but was afraid to do anything because his prices were 1/2 of what everyone else was. This was a couple of year ago and I still get emails from him (quarterly) or so. He had really good prices but I didn't know if, "too good to be true" was really what was happening here. I guess I need to come over and look at some of there materials. Course I really don't know what I am looking at when it comes to metal buildings, red iron, purlins and such.
It was nice to know that all three planes fit in your hangar. I guess If I went with a 60x70x16 or something I would have a nice patio out back and enough room to build a nice dog house too!
There is a guy that is based out of the Altoona area that sells metal buildings. The company is Christbuilt, a division of Panel Masters, Inc.
His name is Charles, LaBoone or ?? I talked to him several times but was afraid to do anything because his prices were 1/2 of what everyone else was. This was a couple of year ago and I still get emails from him (quarterly) or so. He had really good prices but I didn't know if, "too good to be true" was really what was happening here. I guess I need to come over and look at some of there materials. Course I really don't know what I am looking at when it comes to metal buildings, red iron, purlins and such.
It was nice to know that all three planes fit in your hangar. I guess If I went with a 60x70x16 or something I would have a nice patio out back and enough room to build a nice dog house too!
I found an old quote from this guy dated 09/06. I don't know what steel prices are like today but based on this, does anyone know if this is a good price, fair price, or ?
State:AL County:Jefferson
Engineering Design Info:
Width: 55 Length: 72 Height: 16 Slope: 1:12 Bay Config: 3 Bays at 24 ft
Code:IBC 2000 Roof Snow:4 Live Load:20 (w/ Tributary Reduction)
Ground Snow:5 Collateral Load:1/2
Wind:90 Exposure:C Seismic Coefficient:0.49 Is: 1.0 Ct: 1.0 Ce: 1.0
Building Colors:
Wall: Polar White (PBR) Roof: Galvalume Plus (PBR) Trim: Polar White
Downspout: N/A Corner Trim: Polar White Jamb Flashing: N/A
Doors & Factory Located Framed Opening Summary:
----No Framed Opening Selected----
Building Accessories:
Description
Selected
Price
Gutters and Downspouts
No
$0.00
Framed Opening Jamb Flashing
No
$0.00
Standard Base Angle
$0.00
Roof Extensions:
----No Roof Extensions Selected----
Liner Panel:
----No Liner Panel Selected----
Other Accessories:
----No Other Accessories Selected----
Insulation:
----No Insulation Selected-----
Total Price Summary:
Base Building Price:
$21,297.19
Premium Account Discount:
- $1,826.75
Special Discount:
- $1,014.86
Stamped with Design Calculations
$175.00
Total Price (Delivered to your job site):
$18,630.58
**YOU CAN FRAME THE OPENING UP TO A 53X14 YOURSELF, OR WE CAN SUPPLY THE COMPONENTS
FOR $1989.
-CHARLES LABOONE
PBCI METAL BUILDING COMPONENTS/PIONEER METAL BUILDING COMPONENTS:
DIVISIONS OF PANELMASTER STEEL BUILDINGS, INC.
212 BENTWATER DRIVE
ACWORTH, GA 30101
OFFICE (MONDAY-SATURDAY 9-8):
888.425.7755
FAX: 866.787.4974
CELL: 678.910.4192
panelmaster@bellsouth.net
State:AL County:Jefferson
Engineering Design Info:
Width: 55 Length: 72 Height: 16 Slope: 1:12 Bay Config: 3 Bays at 24 ft
Code:IBC 2000 Roof Snow:4 Live Load:20 (w/ Tributary Reduction)
Ground Snow:5 Collateral Load:1/2
Wind:90 Exposure:C Seismic Coefficient:0.49 Is: 1.0 Ct: 1.0 Ce: 1.0
Building Colors:
Wall: Polar White (PBR) Roof: Galvalume Plus (PBR) Trim: Polar White
Downspout: N/A Corner Trim: Polar White Jamb Flashing: N/A
Doors & Factory Located Framed Opening Summary:
----No Framed Opening Selected----
Building Accessories:
Description
Selected
Price
Gutters and Downspouts
No
$0.00
Framed Opening Jamb Flashing
No
$0.00
Standard Base Angle
$0.00
Roof Extensions:
----No Roof Extensions Selected----
Liner Panel:
----No Liner Panel Selected----
Other Accessories:
----No Other Accessories Selected----
Insulation:
----No Insulation Selected-----
Total Price Summary:
Base Building Price:
$21,297.19
Premium Account Discount:
- $1,826.75
Special Discount:
- $1,014.86
Stamped with Design Calculations
$175.00
Total Price (Delivered to your job site):
$18,630.58
**YOU CAN FRAME THE OPENING UP TO A 53X14 YOURSELF, OR WE CAN SUPPLY THE COMPONENTS
FOR $1989.
-CHARLES LABOONE
PBCI METAL BUILDING COMPONENTS/PIONEER METAL BUILDING COMPONENTS:
DIVISIONS OF PANELMASTER STEEL BUILDINGS, INC.
212 BENTWATER DRIVE
ACWORTH, GA 30101
OFFICE (MONDAY-SATURDAY 9-8):
888.425.7755
FAX: 866.787.4974
CELL: 678.910.4192
panelmaster@bellsouth.net
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[quote="drjeff"]I found an old quote from this guy dated 09/06. I don't know what steel prices are like todayState:AL County:Jefferson
I don't either. However, ourt airport built 30 hangers a little over 4 years ago. The manager was considering doing it againg now. He said however, that the total price on them now would be double what they were last time. I did see yesterday where salvage prices on about everything, including old autos, paper, aluminum, etc has fallen about 500% in the last month or so. Maybe this might be a good time, if retail steel is following the salvage trend.
I don't either. However, ourt airport built 30 hangers a little over 4 years ago. The manager was considering doing it againg now. He said however, that the total price on them now would be double what they were last time. I did see yesterday where salvage prices on about everything, including old autos, paper, aluminum, etc has fallen about 500% in the last month or so. Maybe this might be a good time, if retail steel is following the salvage trend.
Jeff,
I should have mentioned that due to space available for set back we have a limit on hangar sizes and anything over 40 X 60 requres a special exemption. Depending on the circumstances, I would agree with the others and build it as big as you can afford and rent out some spaces to help pay the cost if possible. One thing you don't want to do is to 'shoe horn' the planes in there as sooner or later some hangar rash will occur no matter how careful everyone tries to be.
We're (the flying club) are at the point of looking to acquire some more land as we'll soon run out of places to build new hangars. Also, snow load can be a big factor in our area.
Mike Berg
I should have mentioned that due to space available for set back we have a limit on hangar sizes and anything over 40 X 60 requres a special exemption. Depending on the circumstances, I would agree with the others and build it as big as you can afford and rent out some spaces to help pay the cost if possible. One thing you don't want to do is to 'shoe horn' the planes in there as sooner or later some hangar rash will occur no matter how careful everyone tries to be.
We're (the flying club) are at the point of looking to acquire some more land as we'll soon run out of places to build new hangars. Also, snow load can be a big factor in our area.
Mike Berg
"If God had intended man to fly He would have given us more money"