Champ Aileron Bay Trailing Edge

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Champ Aileron Bay Trailing Edge

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This is my first set of wings so I'm still working my way through the problems as they pop up. On the trailing edge of the aileron bay ribs (I think the part number of the edge is 5-173/5-174 R/L) there are some holes drilled on the aileron side. Are these for PK screws to hold the fabric on or (???). I could look at my Champ or one of the others at the airport too but I guess it's easier to ask :roll: .

I'm sure my second wing will go a lot faster as I've had to feel my way through this first one little by little. Luckly I have the other wing hanging of the wall so I have something to look at when I have a question. Still waiting for approval for the 337 to use pop rivets instead of PK screws on my .032 ribs.

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Mike, there is a aileron cove closeout piece. 5-175 I think. If you need a photo just holler. Nate may have one he can post quicker. David J.
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Thanks Dave,
I saw the number in the parts book, but couldn't identify what it was. They may be in a bunch of unidentified pieces I have stored above the shop or else they're missing :( . These wings have been a real headache for me. I've covered a couple of fuselages and control surfaces but this is my first set of wings to do completely with new spars, ribs, etc. It ain't brain surgery but certainly taxes the brain :roll: .

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Mike, if you have a copy of Aeronca Champs and Chiefs by Charles Lasher, go to page 122, Service helps and hints No. 9. It has a description with a drawing and part numbers. Basically, the part is a long strip of aluminum, bent at the angle to match the aileron bay cove. It goes on after the fabric is on and a tape goes on over it afterwards. It prevents the fabric from pulling away from the aileron leading edge in the concave section. I think mine was just attached with PK screws. Jim
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Jim,
Thanks! Got it, although mine was on page 130 for some reason. I figured it was something like that. I stopped at the airport this morning (actually flew :lol: for a few minutes). Anyway, I looked at the three Champs on the field and two (including mine) have the wire stitich or Martin clip (??) and the other appears to have nothing as far as I can see.

Well, I know what to do anyway. One more confusion solved :roll: .

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Mike,

Is this what you are talking about? (From a friends plane)

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Post by james gevay »

Sorry Mike, I got my trailing edges and leading edges mixed up. It goes on the aileron ribs trailing edge. I think your not mixed up enough to sort that out but just wanted to make sure I didn't confuse anyone else. Jim
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Post by jkvincent »

Mike, ...nothing is needed there now.
I spoke with Jim at Aircraft Tech Support and he said in earlier days when planes were doped, you needed something there
because fabric continued to shrink. He said they never put anything there now. It's not part of the STC, not in the manual.
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I'm a long way from worrying about it but I kind of agree that nothing is probably needed there anymore. I happen to use the Superflite process and once things are glued and dry they pretty much stay in place.

Next question: I'm using .032 ribs and the Aeronca manual shows a stiffener (some old guys could probably use that :lol: ) on the outer aileron bay rib. When I took these wings apart they had a fiber type 'stiffener' on both the aileron bay outer rib and the tip rib. Many of the Champs I look at including the one I'm presently flying have a bend at that point due to the fabric pulling tight and bending the rib in. Apparently even with a stiffener. I'd like to avoid that problem or at least keep the rib reasonably straight from the rear spar back. Has anyone tried to brace the rib someway or ??????

Any thoughts appreciated!

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Mike, you need Champion Service Letter #3. If you need I will email you one direct. n8926 at earthlink.net. David J.
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Mike, I think your referring to the wood stiffener attached to the last full rib outboard of the aileron. The factory drawing I have shows a 3/8" thick by 14' long pine or spruce part. It sits inside the rib flange and is supposed to brace the rib from pulling in between the spar and trailing edge. It attaches with about 4 small screws. Mine were solid wood and very light at that. I made my replacements out of 1/4" plywood with lightening holes. I think I saw that somewhere over the years and I think it worked much better.
As to other braces between the last 2 ribs, I've seen other ways to do it but I'm not sure how effective they are. I've seen pictures of an aluminum tube, somewhat like the diagonal brace that attaches to the front spar, and I've seen a solid wire screwed to the trailing edge and about 1' up on the last full rib. Good for tension but not good for compression in my mind.
PS, thats the old tip bow, I made new ones. Jim

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Post by Paul Agaliotis »

Mike,
You can install the wood block and install an added drag strut on the OB end.
Most of the pulling comes from people shrinking the fabric waaaaaay too tight. Be careful when you install the fabric and use a product that reduces the age related shrinkage.
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Post by MikeB »

Thanks Guys!! That was what I was looking for!! I'm going to be much smarter on the second wing and I won't ask so many silly questions.

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Post by Dennis »

Mike,

You can just make out the wood in this picture but the two braces are more clear.

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By the way, I am the young one in the picture.

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