Engine Upgrade

[MikeB]

I bought the 0200 STC from Buzz Wagner for $250. He's since passed away but I understand his son has taken over the business. The STC is pretty loosely written and seems to allow for a lot of 'interpetation'. I think the original STC was for installation of the 0235 Lycoming and the 0200 was added to it later under the same STC. It allows for you to build a different mount and new cowling and a straight pipe exhaust system or muffler. Your choice,I think. I'm going with the original Champ (short) mount and hopefully my cowling will fit. Also, a Sky-Tec starter which is supposed to fit without redoing the firewall and a 25 amp battery system with no charging system. I could send you copies of the paperwork but I'm away from home until later next week. Enjoying warm weather instead of below zero. If you can swing it, one of the 'super 85's ' built by Don Sword is a better way to go. Just didn't work out for me.

MikeB

[Paul Agaliotis]

Mike,
The way it was explained to me (I don't agree totally) is, 91.215 paragraph (a) is considered installation requirements for all aircraft except 121 of 135 operations. Paragraph (b) are the operational requirements for the installed transponders.
It's kind of tough to argue with the ASI that,with the stroke of his pen, puts you out of business.
Unfortunately each FSDO applies the FAR's differently. We had a visit due to ATC issues with the radio gear. Their position was that if the radio communication was not to their liking they could refuse to accommodate the aircraft in the ATA.
One big issue was the use of light signals, we still teach them. Their position was that the light gun would confuse other pilots.
Our operation is in Class D airspace.
Paul

[Captgrumps]

Paul, the light gun is still valid--suspect you have some of the black box changers that got a government job.

Doug

[sixtyninegmc]

Seems to me, Paul, that 91.215 is referring the reader the the standards that an installed transponder in a part 91 aircraft that chooses to fly in the airspace defined in paragraph B, 1 through 5. I might be reading it wrong, but it irks me when FAA employees think that they can interpret a law however they want.

Josh

[Paul Agaliotis]

Josh,
That's a big problem, if they say it's wrong, it's wrong. The burden in then on you to prove otherwise. They see Paragraph (a) as applying to, all airspace-all aircraft. Paragraph (b) pertains to airspace usage and exemptions to the airspace usage. Paragraph (b) is the only area that speaks about the electrical system exemptions.
I think if everyone uses a little common sense about this no one will bother with the small percentage on non- electric airplanes.
Paul

[sixtyninegmc]

All the more reason I am glad to live where I do. I have a feeling my stubborness would make more headaches for me with the FAA in the States than it would be worth. We get away with alot up here.

Josh

[Al Hatz]

That's a big problem, if they say it's wrong, it's wrong. The burden in then on you to prove otherwise. They see Paragraph (a) as applying to, all airspace-all aircraft. Paragraph (b) pertains to airspace usage and exemptions to the airspace usage. Paragraph (b) is the only area that speaks about the electrical system exemptions.
I think if everyone uses a little common sense about this no one will bother with the small percentage on non- electric airplanes.

With all due respect, you're ASI is dead wrong and if your local FSDO is going along with him they're wrong also. This isn't a matter of interpreting a regulation, for the FAA to suggest all aircraft with engine-driven electrical systems needs a transponder goes against the intent of the regulation. This is one I wouldn't let the FAA bully anyone on, they're just wrong.

[MikeB]

It seems to me it should be cut and dried. Either you need a working transponder for outside the veil or you don't. Do the new LS Champs come equipped with a transponder? If not (according to Paul's ASI) you couldn't fly it away from the factory which is in pretty rural Wisconsin.

MikeB

[Paul Agaliotis]

I fully agree with all of you,
If you need more information on this you can get it form the Oakland FSDO.
Paul

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[Bo Grave]

All,

This may help. read para D

Code of Federal Regulations


Sec. 99.13

Sec. 99.13

Part 99 SECURITY CONTROL OF AIR TRAFFIC
Subpart A - General

Sec. 99.13

Transponder-on requirements.

(a) Aircraft transponder-on operation. Each person operating an aircraft into or out of the United States into, within, or across an ADIZ designated in subpart B of this part, if that aircraft is equipped with an operable radar beacon transponder, shall operate the transponder, including altitude encoding equipment if installed, and shall reply on the appropriate code or as assigned by ATC.
(b) ATC transponder equipment and use. Effective September 7, 1990, unless otherwise authorized by ATC, no person may operate a civil aircraft into or out of the United States into, within, or across the contiguous U.S. ADIZ designated in subpart B of this part unless that aircraft is equipped with a coded radar beacon transponder.

(c) ATC transponder and altitude reporting equipment and use. Effective December 30, 1990, unless otherwise authorized by ATC, no person may operate a civil aircraft into or out of the United States into, within, or across the contiguous U.S. ADIZ unless that aircraft is equipped with a coded radar beacon transponder and automatic pressure altitude reporting equipment having altitude reporting capability that automatically replies to interrogations by transmitting pressure altitude information in 100-foot increments.

(d) Paragraphs (b) and (c) of this section do not apply to the operation of an aircraft which was not originally certificated with an engine-driven electrical system and which has not subsequently been certified with such a system installed, a balloon, or a glider.

[Doc. No. 24903, 55 FR 8395, Mar. 7, 1990. Redesignated at 69 FR 16756, Mar. 30, 2004]


Bo Grave
N1663E
Indiana

[rkittine]

In the U.S. if you fly above 10,000 feet, AGL, are under the 30 mile Vail, in Class C or higher airspace and have an electrical system, you are required to have a Transponder. Otherwise you are not.

I fly the Chief (Has a Bender Transponder) all the time with the transponder off, but I stay well away from Albany airspace.