Hi guys! Where can you get the info for the aux fuel tank that is located under the rear seat?
#2. With the c-145, what would make the best climb prop? My friend is getting ready to get rid of his sedan cause it gets off the snow (skis) kind of slow. He has a cruise prop on now and I told him to wait and see what it does with a climb prop.
aux fuel tank
Re: aux fuel tank
Boris,
I have heard rumors about the Aeronca factory having made an aux fuel tank for the Sedan for years now yet no one has seen one, or if they did they do not have a photo or the like. As well have heard rumors that Burl might have a blueprint of one but if he really did that he was not turning loose of it for liability reasons.
I know that the Stinson's 108's of the same era had the same type of aux fuel tank and have seen them for sale from time to time.
Would sure be nice for longer flights to have a "Tokyo tank" in back with another 10-14 gallons or so, especially for those of you flying long distances like from Alaska to the lower 48. Right now the last I have heard you get to land on a road or sand bar and either refuel from 5 gallon jugs you are carrying in the back (how about the safety aspect on that!???) or taxi'ing up to a car gas station and refueling there. Neither of these options is any safer than having a factory designed aux fuel tank IMHO but thats just me.
Have also heard comments about the FAA will never approve its installation for a full time useage, but as well I hear its done all the time for long ferry flights. Not sure that anyone wants to keep something like this in all the time, I would not. If one was built using the factory blueprints and installed as per the factory data, would give it a try. Personally I would love to have one to use to make the journey in three months to Middletown from Arizona. Its just shy of 2000 miles, which translate for me into 7-8 fuel stops.
Believe mine is a 76/49 and it works ok but its not a cruise nor climb. Really not sure which version it is but am happy with it for now.
Joe A
I have heard rumors about the Aeronca factory having made an aux fuel tank for the Sedan for years now yet no one has seen one, or if they did they do not have a photo or the like. As well have heard rumors that Burl might have a blueprint of one but if he really did that he was not turning loose of it for liability reasons.
I know that the Stinson's 108's of the same era had the same type of aux fuel tank and have seen them for sale from time to time.
Would sure be nice for longer flights to have a "Tokyo tank" in back with another 10-14 gallons or so, especially for those of you flying long distances like from Alaska to the lower 48. Right now the last I have heard you get to land on a road or sand bar and either refuel from 5 gallon jugs you are carrying in the back (how about the safety aspect on that!???) or taxi'ing up to a car gas station and refueling there. Neither of these options is any safer than having a factory designed aux fuel tank IMHO but thats just me.
Have also heard comments about the FAA will never approve its installation for a full time useage, but as well I hear its done all the time for long ferry flights. Not sure that anyone wants to keep something like this in all the time, I would not. If one was built using the factory blueprints and installed as per the factory data, would give it a try. Personally I would love to have one to use to make the journey in three months to Middletown from Arizona. Its just shy of 2000 miles, which translate for me into 7-8 fuel stops.
Believe mine is a 76/49 and it works ok but its not a cruise nor climb. Really not sure which version it is but am happy with it for now.
Joe A
Re: aux fuel tank
I think I saw a for sale ad, somewhere, that mentioned having a 20 gallon tank under the rear seats. It may have been a canadian fellow. Just trying to track the airplane down and maybe ask questions. If I buy the sedan from my friend, I would put a 180 or 210 continental in it and would LOVE to have a little extra fuel for the float plane trips to canada. Don"t need to fill 4 seats, but 2 guys and some range would be cool. 
Re: aux fuel tank
Had an interesting discussion with a Sedan owner last night. Seems that he has the same need that many of us do and wanted longer legs in his Sedan.
He has rigged up a aux fuel tank in the back of his Sedan for longer flights. Its a stock tank out of a different aircraft type, not sure which, that sits where his rear seat normally does. He takes the rear seat out, lays the tank on the floor and then puts a piece of plywood on it, then laying his cargo around the area. Capacity is around 10-15 gallons, forget exactly how much but this is close.
The tank is then plumbed to the right wing tank, using a 12v electric pump. The pump is connected to a switch that takes its power from the A/C ships power up front.
He flies until the level is at half or so then turns the aux pump on and pumps fuel to the main tank as needed.
He says that it does a really good job of extending his range and is easy to use. He does not use it all the time, instead putting it in the airplane as needed for long range flights where there are no places to stop for fuel. Not going to name the gent but wanted to pass along the info that someone is doing what we had talked about above. Not sure where he got the idea but it sure sounds a lot like the factory "aux baggage fuel tank" that Aeronca designed for the Sedan years ago.
Joe A
He has rigged up a aux fuel tank in the back of his Sedan for longer flights. Its a stock tank out of a different aircraft type, not sure which, that sits where his rear seat normally does. He takes the rear seat out, lays the tank on the floor and then puts a piece of plywood on it, then laying his cargo around the area. Capacity is around 10-15 gallons, forget exactly how much but this is close.
The tank is then plumbed to the right wing tank, using a 12v electric pump. The pump is connected to a switch that takes its power from the A/C ships power up front.
He flies until the level is at half or so then turns the aux pump on and pumps fuel to the main tank as needed.
He says that it does a really good job of extending his range and is easy to use. He does not use it all the time, instead putting it in the airplane as needed for long range flights where there are no places to stop for fuel. Not going to name the gent but wanted to pass along the info that someone is doing what we had talked about above. Not sure where he got the idea but it sure sounds a lot like the factory "aux baggage fuel tank" that Aeronca designed for the Sedan years ago.
Joe A
Re: aux fuel tank
Maybe we could find a group of people that are really serious about having aux fuel and get them to commit to buying Burls Aux wing tanks. I am pretty sure that if we had some serious people that would commit some deposit money we could convince burl to finish up the aux wing tank project fairly quickly. This system will ad just under 21 gallons to the wings and much of the work has already been done by Burl. Burl would probably be a lot more interested in finishing this project if he knew some people were going to buy it in the end, as well as getting some funds to complete it. As far as putting a tank in back of the airplane and plumbing into the fuel line from the wing tank with a transfer pump goes. This sounds very simple, almost like a non-mechanically inclined person could set it up and make it work. How safe and legal is this?, sounds pretty risky to me. For those who are really interested in a safe, legal and practical aux fuel system, lets get together and approach burl so that we can get this done properly.
Tom Lee
N1088H + N1330H
Tom Lee
N1088H + N1330H
Re: aux fuel tank
Tom,
Agree and if there were any alternative, we would be using it.
The Aeronca factory made an aux tank for the Sedan. Thats a fact. We have heard of several airplanes that had one but no one has come forward. Would love to see a photo, even more love to see a blueprint of how its mounted, plumbed and so on. As for its safety who knows. Its legal as its a factory tank but am guessing that it may have been intended as a "Ferry tank" only and not something that you kept in the plane all the time. Believe that most of us could live with this as if I had one would not want it there all the time.
Until we have some alternative such as Burls wing tanks with added capacity, people are going to "jury rig" something to make the journey possible. Have heard this from numerous Sedan owners.
Would love to hear more on the wing tank addition.
Joe A
Agree and if there were any alternative, we would be using it.
The Aeronca factory made an aux tank for the Sedan. Thats a fact. We have heard of several airplanes that had one but no one has come forward. Would love to see a photo, even more love to see a blueprint of how its mounted, plumbed and so on. As for its safety who knows. Its legal as its a factory tank but am guessing that it may have been intended as a "Ferry tank" only and not something that you kept in the plane all the time. Believe that most of us could live with this as if I had one would not want it there all the time.
Until we have some alternative such as Burls wing tanks with added capacity, people are going to "jury rig" something to make the journey possible. Have heard this from numerous Sedan owners.
Would love to hear more on the wing tank addition.
Joe A
Re: aux fuel tank
Attached is some documentation I've collected on a 14 gallon aux fuel tank for the 15AC that Aeronca was working on. Please note that none of this data/information is part of the TCDS, but hopefully it's still useful for someone out there.
Two letters + drawings from the factory:
1951 - Ed Carroll, Aeronca
1977 - Letter & drawings from John Houser, Aeronca Service Engineer
I tried to attach the .PDF file to this post, but it's not allowed. Perhaps a moderator could do this so that the file is always available for anyone who stops by?
I'll make the following link available until a moderator can attach the PDF to this thread.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25601255/15AC% ... 20TANK.pdf
Two letters + drawings from the factory:
1951 - Ed Carroll, Aeronca
1977 - Letter & drawings from John Houser, Aeronca Service Engineer
I tried to attach the .PDF file to this post, but it's not allowed. Perhaps a moderator could do this so that the file is always available for anyone who stops by?
I'll make the following link available until a moderator can attach the PDF to this thread.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25601255/15AC% ... 20TANK.pdf
1955 Cessna 170B
Aeronca Sedan stand in!
Aeronca Sedan stand in!
Re: aux fuel tank
Arash,
Thanks very much for the information!
Thats the good news. Not so good news is that I do not know if there is any way to attach a .pdf file to the bulletin board.
I have downloaded the files and let me see if I can figure out a way to share this with everyone.
Sure would like to have copies of the blueprints mentioned in the above data.
Thanks,
Joe A
Thanks very much for the information!
Thats the good news. Not so good news is that I do not know if there is any way to attach a .pdf file to the bulletin board.
I have downloaded the files and let me see if I can figure out a way to share this with everyone.
Sure would like to have copies of the blueprints mentioned in the above data.
Thanks,
Joe A
Re: aux fuel tank
Hi Joe. I'll leave the link active for as long as is needed.
The info above was in one big packet. I'm not certain that the order of the pages is correct, but it's everything I have.
The info above was in one big packet. I'm not certain that the order of the pages is correct, but it's everything I have.
1955 Cessna 170B
Aeronca Sedan stand in!
Aeronca Sedan stand in!
Re: aux fuel tank
Arish,
I can print the attachment and then turn it into individual documents, page by page, thats not a problem.
I might also add at this time that a very nice member of the Aeronca community, like Arish, has donated some blueprints to several of us. He is a Sedan owner and has an aux fuel tank as described above mounted in his airplane. Its done with a STC and is totally legal. Also the nice thing is that it was done way back in the early 1950's, and signed off in the logbooks in I believe 1954. This should make it "approved data" to be used by others but am still working with the owner.
Thx,
Joe
I can print the attachment and then turn it into individual documents, page by page, thats not a problem.
I might also add at this time that a very nice member of the Aeronca community, like Arish, has donated some blueprints to several of us. He is a Sedan owner and has an aux fuel tank as described above mounted in his airplane. Its done with a STC and is totally legal. Also the nice thing is that it was done way back in the early 1950's, and signed off in the logbooks in I believe 1954. This should make it "approved data" to be used by others but am still working with the owner.
Thx,
Joe
Re: aux fuel tank
One of my favorite regulations! FAA Order 8900.1 from the Flight Standards Information Management System (FSIMS) online.
The specific citation is 8900.1, Vol. 4, Chapter 9, Sec 1, 4-1178 Section B Data, 2) Approved Technical Data, p) United States Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) Form 337.
http://fsims.faa.gov/PICResults.aspx?mode=EBookContents
http://fsims.faa.gov/PICDetail.aspx?doc ... EC0047A3AE
"p) United States Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) Form 337, dated prior to October 1, 1955, provided the data is appropriate, directly applicable, and not contrary to regulatory requirements."
The CAA field offices before Oct 1955 had engineering sections within their offices, leading to the approved data label and definition. After Oct. 1, 1955 the engineering sections within the field offices were closed and consolidated into a separate engineering section at the FAA.
The Cub guys have a thread for members to post any 337s prior to 10/1/55 for the benefit of the group. Wouldn't be a bad idea to do the same here.
The specific citation is 8900.1, Vol. 4, Chapter 9, Sec 1, 4-1178 Section B Data, 2) Approved Technical Data, p) United States Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) Form 337.
http://fsims.faa.gov/PICResults.aspx?mode=EBookContents
http://fsims.faa.gov/PICDetail.aspx?doc ... EC0047A3AE
"p) United States Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) Form 337, dated prior to October 1, 1955, provided the data is appropriate, directly applicable, and not contrary to regulatory requirements."
The CAA field offices before Oct 1955 had engineering sections within their offices, leading to the approved data label and definition. After Oct. 1, 1955 the engineering sections within the field offices were closed and consolidated into a separate engineering section at the FAA.
The Cub guys have a thread for members to post any 337s prior to 10/1/55 for the benefit of the group. Wouldn't be a bad idea to do the same here.
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1955 Cessna 170B
Aeronca Sedan stand in!
Aeronca Sedan stand in!
Re: aux fuel tank
Actually we are getting ready to do this here!
Todd Trainor used to have a section for only STC's, 337's and service letters for Aeronca on his excellent website. He is now going to a pretty much "pay to view" site and he has agreed to transfer these publications to the NAA so that we can provide them for the Aeronca owners, just as we have been doing for years now with the blueprints.
Totally agree with you and I love "pre-1955 data!"
Joe A
Todd Trainor used to have a section for only STC's, 337's and service letters for Aeronca on his excellent website. He is now going to a pretty much "pay to view" site and he has agreed to transfer these publications to the NAA so that we can provide them for the Aeronca owners, just as we have been doing for years now with the blueprints.
Totally agree with you and I love "pre-1955 data!"
Joe A